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up in a holding cell because someone tells ♪ ♪ welcome to my lonely hell due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. people tend to rebel when they put you under a microscope. >> you told the lady at the parole board [ bleep ] and you called her a bitch and a whore. >> i fell for a staff member. >> this is the love of my life. >> david and i had known each other for seven months when we finally got caught. >> what happened? >> it was a bad choice, but i would not take it back for anything.
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we have an inmate by the name of conrad salazar. >> this is how you get escorted everywhere you go. >> we will transfer him from the level six facile toy to the level five facility. >> we have issues related to the classification individual who ises a inside to him. this individual made recent threats in the past, so we need to move him on the al aerntive housing unit. he is short sentence, and
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getting out soon, so it is in the best interest of the classification officer to get out of here. >> what does he know at this point? >> he doesn't know anything at this point. at this point, he is under the assumption that he is going to be escorted to medical at which time i will advise him of what is going to occur. >> because it appears to be an isolated incident staff moved conrad to a different part of the prison to diffuse the situation. >> you see that officer right there? i stabbed him in the head when he was like 18 years old here. >> this is your commander and he was about 18 when he started working here and they opened up my cell and i stabbed him in the head. >> yeah n '97.
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what was it? >> angle iron. >> i was working here for six months, and conrad was complaining about the phone like he always did, and he wanted the phone so i gave him a phone, and he hit me hard with a shank and cut me in the back of the head, and i went to the hospital. i came back to do my job. i just come here to do my job. i don't want to act like them, you know. >> he doesn't take it personal. >> would you take it personal if someone stabbed you in the head? >> oh, yeah, definitely. i would find a way to retaliate somehow, you know. you will get a different change of environment today. >> where? >> to the level five. >> my last 60 days are over there? >> yes. >> so if everything goes good, my last 60 days i can get a little bit of interaction with people before i get out in society, because 12 years of
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super max is not all that -- well, 16 years, so it is not a good transition to go before, you know, if i'm too dangerous the go to a dangerous five how am i not too dangerous the go to population? >> i don't want you to go over there with any false impressions. over there you are still 6'5", and any decrease of the prosecution will be over there at the level six, step five. have a good day. enjoy the five. >> all right. rest up. it is a little too late, because i got 60 days to go home, and by the process happens there, i will be lucky to get two weeks to come out on the tier with people. but anything is better than nothing i guess. if to interact with anybody physically i guess, because there is no physical -- >> contact. >> yeah. you can't have any physical
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contact with anybody. the visits are through glass, you know, so it is not the same. so hopefully out into the tier where i can interact with people and talk and work on my social skills a little bit, you know. >> even though conrad has been told that he will not get any privileges that the rest of the people in his unit do, he talks a good game. >> i am hoping they will let me out on population and workout and play cards and workout with people, you know. yeah, it is a big deal. it is kind of weird coming back to a population after all of this time, so, yeah, i was not expecting this when i woke up this morning, no. >> how is it going, salazar? >> pretty good.
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>> are you going to be okay over here? >> yes. >> do you know why they sent you here? >> because i completed the level six process, so my next step is level five, right? >> and you weren't having any issue with any of the staff over there? >> no. >> i need some reintegration even if it is tier time with some people just to get used to being around somebody. >> you know what i have to do first, right? make sure that all of the concerns and everything that i have to go through the file and everything and make sure -- >> i don't have no enemies. >> but you are a validated gang member, right? >> suspected. >> you are going to be okay over here? >> yes. >> we aren't going to have any busted windows or anything like that? >> no, not with 60 days to the house. >> okay. man. i want you to just stay cool, okay, man.
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>> back in level six, staff has received information about the presence of weapons. >> i had an inmate come up to me yesterday and tell me that another inmate every time he is in there sweeping or mopping the pod that he keeps asking him if he can get him some metal pieces of four or five inches long. he says that yeah, every time i'm in there cleaning, he is asking me for metal objects, but the other day when i was sweeping and mopping, he called me and got my attention and pulled out a piece of metal, and he says about this long, and says that nevermind, i have one. so i hit the neighbor, and sure enough the neighbor had one. the object we had was seven inches, so we are missing about this much of the rod still. basically, we are going down to s-pod where these weapons were found and i shook down three inmates so we will shake down the rest, the whole pod. what we need to do is to get one guy escorted out here and
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remember, nobody in the cells until the canine go through. pull the guys out and put them in the strip cage, and do a thorough strip, because if they know what is going on, make sure they are not hiding anything in the buttocks. we will stay on the top tier and stay on the bottom to walk around and see if we catch anybody stashing anything or if they start flushing a lot, shutdown water. everybody is going to the yard. >> this may be the officer's last chance to recover the weapons, buzz they are used. there is probably four or five weapons in there once you melt them all do down. >> also, ahead, conrad's mouth gets him in trouble with the parole board. >> you told the lady at the parole board [ bleep ] you and you called her names. [ male announcer ] built like a volkswagen.
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the 2011 tiguan. [ grunts ]
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after receiving an inside tip that inmates may have
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weapons in the level six facility, officers begin searching the units. >> so basically what i'm doing here is i'm looking inside the heater vent here. there's a space between the heater and the wall. that's a real common area for them to hide contraband. they tie a piece of wire or string and they'll fish it through the crease here and they'll feed it through the vent. found a shank in there yesterday. it was a pretty nice one. it was about -- just about a five-inch, six-inch piece sharpened a little bit. >> the officers didn't find the metal stock, but they did find a possible new source of weapons. >> yesterday one of the weapons we found were made out of the material. that's the new thing, i guess, now. i never really have seen a big chunks missing out of them, and they're taking these chunks out and they're melting them down and making a weapon, and this stuff dries pretty hard, so it's not soft. there's probably four or five weapons in there once you melt them all down.
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we're going to write him up for destruction of state property and take his stool out and when we have a stool available, we'll give him another. like i tell a lot of these officers, if you do your job, you should be safe. you shouldn't get stabbed or anything like that, but there's always that one time you slip up or you forget to do something, and that's when it happens. these guys want you and they'll wait and wait for you. don't follow procedure, and that's when you get hurt. >> it's not uncommon for inmates to land longer sentences in prison because of bad behavior on the inside. inmate david scritchfield learned this lesson the hard way. >> i have been in prison 18 1/2 years now, and i'm been convicted of aggravated assault on peace officers probably two or three times. battery on officers, you know. anything that you can think of.
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i mean, i have stabbed officers. i've sliced officers. i've probably thrown chemical warfare on 30 people, 40 people, if not more. at one point it had gotten to where i had absolutely lost my mind. i had got out of my cell over at the north by sliding my handcuffs to the front, pulling out about a six to an eight inch knife and stabbing two different officers and chasing quite a few other ones around. i still lost. i ended up -- they actually put me in the death house. i stayed in that cell for about 30 days staring at the table. i was 20 when i came in. 19 when i fell. i came in with 18 months. >> how old are you now? >> 38.
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>> so all this extra time, is this all because of your behavior in prison? >> yes, every bit of it. i fought the law, and the law won. i mean, i got it in my head that i was going to battle and go against authority figures and do all i could to earn my reputation in prison. >> last time we saw conrad salazar he was being transferred to level five after threatening a staff member, but today we're seeing a whole new side of him. >> today i get to go see my wife and kids. i look forward to visiting with them every week, you know? or every month. depending what level i'm on. >> i had a friend who was in prison that i met him through that introduced us, and we met 13 years ago. we were married two years after we met.
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>> hey, you're going to go through this door, down the stairs and to your left. >> thank you. >> he's been locked up the whole time. he went out of state for about six years. he was in california for a couple of years. he went to virginia for about a year and a half. he went to illinois. when he was in california, we went and saw him. we spent summers out there with him. we took the whole family, the kids, the mother. he is being released next month, hopefully. >> what are you anticipating? >> i don't know. we're excited. i don't know. worried. nervous. he has never been out there with us. our whole time together has been in here, so the kids have all been raised here too with him being locked up. it's taken him a while but he's starting to realize that he needs to get out. he wants to be out with us, and i think it's finally going to happen. >> hi, baby. >> i can't wait until you get
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out. >> you guys got everything set up already? >> yeah, we're ready. all we need is you. >> the question is, are you ready to get out? >> i'm ready to get out, but it is like a lot of anxiety, because i don't know what to expect. >> you will get used to it. you will be all right. >> yeah, we'll see. i'm going to have to kind of walk to the shower like that as if i'm shackled. we will put bars on the windows. >> we can do that, too, if you want. >> and put a little cart next to the window. >> i would rather not. >> it's going to take some getting used to. it's going to be kind of, you know -- >> on all of our parts. not just you. >> do you know what day you're getting out yet, or is it still up in the air? >> the projected out date is may 19th, so for sure when i hit parole board next month, and then they'll tell me for sure what day i can get out.
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>> that's when they give you the date? >> right there they'll have your exact date you're getting out and tell you about your dress out and the $50 check they give you and all that. >> cool. >> when do we see you again? >> i got a visit scheduled again for saturday. i'll try to call before then, no? >> okay. >> almost out there. see you guys later. >> love you. >> love you too, baby. >> love you, babe. >> it's harder to adjust to society going from this, you know, going from this to freedom out there, you know? i don't know what to expect when i get out, you know? coming up, conrad's mouth gets in the way of his parole. >> why do you guys expect to talk to us like this and then just expect us to go okay, uh-huh. plus, david has had his fair share of fights with officers, but now he's in a tight spot for being too friendly with staff. >> i fell for a staff member, and she got fired.
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visits provide many inmates
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a glimmer of hope for the future, but for david scritchfield, it's a sight he may never see. >> i fell for a staff member here. she got fired. >> this is paula, the love of my life. i can't even have visitation. >> well, i met him while i was working at the penitentiary, and he was one of my patients. he is a real smart one, smart-aleck, funny guy. i was, too. i was fiesty right back to him, and so we started messing around and joking like that. a and i think that playful with us with each other is what started david and i falling for each other. >> as the old saying goes, you can't help who you fall for. you know?
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>> david and i had known each other for seven months when we finally got caught. >> an officer came up to me and told me that he thought there was some impropriety going on within -- between david scritchfield and a nurse. okay? i pulled up his information from the computer, had a bunch of phone calls from the inmate. i started listening to the phone calls. the name paula came up. paula happened to be the nurse the officer told me about. >> they said that they recognized her voice on the telephone. we were communicating, you know, outside of the prison system. i didn't want to get her in any kind of trouble, but i couldn't stop communicating with her. there was no way that that was going to happen. >> one day i was out on my med run, and one of the sergeants came and got me from the pod and said that the captain wanted to talk to me. so we went on up there, and when we went up there, they asked me if my cell number was a certain number, and i said it was, and they asked me if i had been talking to david, and i said no.
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and they began to play a tape. >> after we played the tape for her, she confessed to everything. she confessed to having a relation with him. >> i just didn't know what to do, and they just said they wanted my badge and i was going to be escorted off the grounds, and so i said okay. they took my badge, and there i went. >> her security clearance was pulled, and she's no longer allowed on the penitentiary in new mexico. >> why? >> for the fact that it's a threat to security of the institution. >> i didn't -- i guess i didn't realize what a security threat they thought that i was being. i didn't think david and i were anything like that, but who he is and his reputation, i can understand their fear of what i could have done if he had ever asked me to do something like that, but that was never what we were about. >> it puts everybody at risk, a very high risk, because they're letting out all our secrets, and inmates don't tell us their secrets. we got to find them out, and if
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somebody is telling them all our secrets, then it goes against us. it hurts us. >> it was a bad choice, but i wouldn't take it back for anything. i think he is the best thing that's ever come into my life. >> although visits are out of the question, david and paula are allowed phone calls. >> he tries to call me once or twice a week, and so that's pretty much the only time i can talk to him. >> i talk to her as much as i possibly can through phone calls. i just got my phone privileges back. >> we just connect. we're just right and left hands, you know, without one, the other one doesn't work as well. i don't know how else to put it. he is just my heart. >> it's a reason for me to change. to get on and be free with her. there's nothing else more important to me. nothing at all. coming up, david finds a loophole in the system that
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i'm milissa rehberger and here is what is happening. a suspect in a deadly rampage has been killed by police in philadelphia. the man was wanted in connection with the killing of a man and 2-year-old child. the fate of casey anthony is now in the hands of the jury. the seven women and five men began deliberations a few hours ago. casey could get the death penalty if convicted of first degree murder in the death of her 2-year-old daughter caylee. now, back to "lockup." due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised.
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>> i took martial arts for 14 years. boxing and kung fu. i'm not hard core no more. i want to get into movies, man. i want to be a comedy actor. i like to make people laugh. i'm handsome. >> nathan madrid is not the worst behaved inmate at dnm but he has his moments. >> i was talking on the phone. the c.o. told me to get off the phone. when she hung up on me, it just -- i just felt disrespected in every way. so i started telling her off. and for that, i got a report. >> disrespect to the officers is a zero tolerance policy at nmu unit.
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if i give him a break for making threats to a correctional officer, it's not a good thing. it's not a good practice. hello, mr. madrid. the reason we brought you out here today, we're going to hold a unit management team meeting. i think you know why. this conduct report issued for threats, verbal abuse, and gestures and displaying unlawful order. inmate madrid was on the phone approximately 40 minutes. at 5:40 p.m. my correctional officer amy lee told nathan madrid to lock down for next shift. he yelled up [ bleep ]. i turned his phone off at this point, and i walked to the window and told him this is a directive to lock down. he was told approximately five times. during this time inmate madrid was telling me you are [ bleep ]'d up, [ bleep ]. if you're writing me up, i'm going to make it worthwhile.
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inmate madrid locked down and then started banging the door with a stool. he continued for a while. inmate madrid was informed that the incident would be a behavior and a misconduct report. okay. mr. madrid, this is very inappropriate behavior in this program. >> i lost it. i was talking to my grandmother. she advised me she did her job. it just didn't matter to me because i just wanted to know if my brother is going to live or die. >> you've got to understand your mouth keeps getting you in trouble. what you did was you put her authority in question in front of all the other inmates. okay? >> before anything like this happens, you should have come to me and said, you know what, i need to call -- or i need to do this, and i need to be able to speak with my family. but once you took it too far with amy, i know you have a habit of doing that, because i have been advised by some of the other staff members that you will go off on them, but then you'll apologize for it. >> basically, you need to cut it out, okay? what we're going to do here is regress you to the beginning of the program, step one. you're going to lose all your privileges. all right? and we'll see you here probably in six months if you're still here, nathan. >> five one? >> five one.
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this is behavior that we are just not going to tolerate, period. so what is going to happen now is that you are going to go back into the strip cage and the officer is going to pack up all of your property, and we're going the send you out of this unit. that's it. think twice before you do this again. >> clear. >> had i not been in here, it might have been a different story, nathan. >> i got nothing against you, jackson, you should have got in right there and told her to quit yelling at me, but did you? you didn't. her yelling at me in front of everybody, what, is that all right or what? make me look like a [ bleep ]. >> you lost it before she did. you know the truth, nathan. >> i have 2 1/2 years of good time and with this report, they can take all of it. if my lady is watching this, you don't want to wait for me, beat
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it. i don't care. >> did you just break up with your girlfriend? >> it's going to happen anyway. >> why? >> because i -- she's been waiting for three years. she's not going to be -- you know what i mean? she's not going to understand this. it's all good. it ain't about her. it's about me, man. i need to get right with myself. >> we sat down to interview conrad salazar, just days away before his projected release about his recent parole hearing. apparently it didn't go so well. >> you're camera hungry, huh? anything to get on the camera. >> you understand that you have the right to remain silent? you going to make a statement? >> yeah.
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what's this report for? >> you told the lady on the parole board [ bleep ] [ bleep ] and called her a bitch and a whore. >> for no reason i just went off on this lady for no reason. >> you're entitled to put your statement, and that's why i'm getting your version. >> okay. i asked her simply why she was putting me on intense supervision, that it was just setting me up to fail. and she got pissed off and asked me why, and i said, because the last time you put me on that, i ended up shooting ing a cop, be i couldn't hold down a job. she said, you shot a cop? get him out of here. i got two of these minor reports for verbal abuse. all women. you know? why do you guys expect to talk to us like this and then just expect us to go, okay, uh-huh, yeah? >> did you call any witnesses? >> i need to know who the parole board is so i can ask them questions, like if she started the confrontation. >> you can submit questions to me in writing, but i can tell you right now i won't find that relevant. >> you can't hear what the questions are. >> you said i wanted to know whether or not she initiated it.
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>> right. >> just write the questions and have them call me and as soon as i get done here after they call me, i'm come down. >> okay. i will. >> all right? >> all right. >> what, are you going to keep me here another two months, three months? i don't understand it. >> conrad's actions have delayed his pending release. and now with months alone in his cell to stew on this fact, it may be a recipe for disaster. after nearly ten years of producing the "lockup" series, we have learned that safety is every prison's number one concern, and the constant shakedowns of the penitentiary of new mexico proves this prison is no exception to the rule. >> what we're doing this morning is there's some information that there could be some possible problems in this unit, so we're going to go in there while the inmates are out, what we're going to do is strip search him, and once they're done, take him to the yard, and we're going to shake down the cell. make sure you're looking for any drugs, any weapons. just be careful. these inmates say they're a
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little agitated so make sure you work in twos pulling them out. make sure you have your partner with you at all times. >> a lot of inmates like to hide stuff under the rim. with the mirror i don't have to get my hands in there. some of them like to put a razor blade and they like to put it in one of the vents. a lot of times on the top the inmates there's a space, and the inmates will hide stuff. today it was a lighter. >> it was smuggled in by somebody. if an inmate gets ahold of something that will ignite, like an aerosol or something, they can use it as a weapon. they can also basically burn up their whole cell if they wanted to. makes it real easy. >> so easy, in fact, it happened not long ago. >> we received emergency call
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over the radio that there was a fire over in "r" pod. >> just frustrated. decided to light a fire. i put a staple in the electrical socket. popped the socket, and in a prison what you call a prison match. i just lit a bunch of linen and stuff i had there on fire. >> as soon as we got up here, i already had two officers, and i immediately positioned myself at an angle here to attempt to extinguish the flames. >> i sat at the back of the room for a while, and when the room started getting full of smoke, i just grabbed a blanket and put my head in the toilet and started flushing the toilet to keep the air flowing. >> we tried to extinguish the fire. it was unsuccessful. i gave the control center commands to open the door 15 inches and by then i was already trying to get underneath the door, up at the top. >> i knew that he was going to
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be coming into my room, so i had to stay as calm as i possibly could because i knew i was going to have to go a couple rounds with him. >> as soon as the door had opened up, i saw inmate luna on the floor, had his head in the toilet, was motionless. i started spraying the inside of the door. at that point in time when i was coming down with the hose of the fire extinguisher, inmate luna had gotten up and had come out the door sideways. when the door opened, i ran out of the room and was sprayed with a fire extinguisher, and i swung at one of the cos that was holding the fire extinguisher trying to put out the fire. >> once he did that, he came over, took a swing and actually did hit me. and i had taken the fire extinguisher and i had actually swung it in defense of myself and hit him in the head, and he was still fighting and still trying to hit me, so i grabbed his arm, and another officer already had his arm. we both had him like that, and we had actually had to take him
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down. >> it is nothing to be proud of. i don't want to be sitting here boasting myself out to be a bad ass, because it is mindless and it is irresponsible. i got emotional and i acted without thinking, and that led to a lot of of chaos. >> i was scared. you never know. i mean, when he was -- we were boxing and he was punching me and i was blocking some of his punches, but he was making contact, and i didn't know if he was actually sticking me with a weapon. >> i ended up getting charged with assault and battery without a weapon on a staff member, damage to property. if one of the cos would have gotten seriously hurt, it would have -- that i would have been here for a long, long time. >> to me it's nothing personal. if i took things personal, i couldn't even come here every day. we're human. they're human.
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they have a bad day just like we do. we have to kind of understand that and realize that and give them their space. the next day is a new day. coming up, conrad seems to be on a downward spiral. he is denied a family visit and goes off on staff. >> [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. you know? >> and david and paula are getting hitched. >> i brought you this application from the marriage policy.
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transfer from another facility, inmate conrad salazar. >> we have a transfer from another facility, inmate conrad salazar, and he is coming from a level five on a suicide watch. he had a rageful manner and he said if he was put back in his cell, he would hurt himself or hang himself. >> i go through all this just to see your family. >> since we met conrad, he has threatened staff twice, and now with only eight weeks until his potential parole date, he has threatened to take his own life, forcing staff to move him into a medical observation cell. >> tell me this, did you threaten to commit suicide? >> it's the only way you can come over here. >> why? >> because i can't see my family. you know? they [ bleep ] out the paperwork. they'll tell you they didn't, but they gave me the run around, and now they got to pay overtimers and bring people out to go through all this [ bleep ] just because they couldn't just let me see my family. >> conrad, you're getting out in two months.
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>> no, that is what they say, but they will do everything in their power to keep me here. so [ bleep ], and [ bleep ], the medical system and they can [ bleep ], and [ bleep ], you know. so everything that i can possibly do the make them work more. they took my yard. why not take my tv, which they did as property, and not complete my visit. all because i was not kicking down the door to get their attention to come down. what the hell? they put in that position, and then when you are trying to fix it, remedy it, and they come and punish you more. the [ bleep ] level system. change it back. let the doors open and let us do our [ bleep ] time. this ain't helping me or society come out like this. >> back in level five, david scritchfield is also finding it hard to see the love of his life. >> they've refused to give us visits because she's an ex-staff member here.
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because of that, the only way that we're going to be allowed to have visitation is if, you know, we get married. so we're going to work it out and try to get married over the phone. i love the fact that i'm getting married to the woman i love, but i don't like the fact that my hand is being forced into that. it would be different, i'd have more understanding if we had done anything illegal or broken the law. we weren't transferring drugs or doing anything that those situations generally hold accountable to those individuals, and, i mean, the worst we're guilty of is falling in love. that's all. >> how exactly does an inmate get married to a woman who is not allowed inside the prison? >> hey, i brought you this application from the marriage policy. do you want me to explain the process to you? >> yes. >> okay. 60 days, they normally require 60 days from the date that you
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submit the application until the date of the marriage. the marriage done at level five and level six is done by proxy, you would be on one end of the phone. your fiancee would be on the other end of the phone with somebody that has the authority to marry you. the case worker signs this. the religious coordinator signs it. deputy warden and then the warden. they also need a copy of the marriage license so that has to be obtained before you actually can get married. if you want a wedding ring, it has to be approved through the chaplain to get it to the property officer to put on your property. and basically that's it. >> i can turn that in as soon as possible? >> you can. you can. that's why i'm hand delivering it to you. >> once that happens, then i can have my visits, right? >> the policy allows you to have visits with your fiancee.
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based on the fact that she was an employee here before, i believe that she was denied before this whole marriage thing came up. ultimately, it's still going to be up to the warden, though, okay? but she'll be a member of your family then. okay? that makes it different. >> okay. >> all right. here it is. >> thank you. >> all right. >> see you. >> appreciate it. next, the warden catches wind of david's plan. >> even if you get married, we cannot allow the visits. >> and conrad finally leaves pnm. just not the way he planned. >> you will be administered 50,000 volts which may cause you to self-urinate or self-defecate. do you understand? >> yeah.
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although it's a new day, not much changes. at the penitentiary in new
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mexico, back in medical, the warden and deputy joanie brown pays conrad a visit. >> right now you're on suicide watch. >> i'm protesting. >> but you're using the system. if you're saying you aren't really going to commit suicide -- >> i didn't say that. i said i'm protesting. >> okay. all right. you're protesting by claiming that you're going to commit suicide? >> there's different ways of protesting. there's hunger strikes. my hunger strike didn't work. >> everything that you're doing, you end up paying for. you were almost to the door. what is your release date now? you have other reports pending. >> it's all because where they put me in that position -- >> it's always they put you in that position. you don't have to react that way. you don't. but you want an instant answer. you want it to be resolved right away, and you know nothing works that way. nothing. >> look, i got 60 days to the
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pat, and i want to keep it done right here where you cannot keep it in picking my time away. >> this isn't long term housing. you won't do it right here much. >> that's not the way it works. >> why are you going to put me back in there? >> because you're on suicide watch because mental health deemed that you need to be here. this isn't long-term housing. you cannot be on -- i know, but it is not going to happen. it's not going to happen. who is responsible for your actions? they can't make you do something. you have to do it, and then there are consequences. you know how it is to be a short-timer, that everything that can set you off, because it is jeopardizing you going home. >> right, right. >> we used to call it short and [ bleep ]. >> there's a lot of high anxiety, and i'm not going to say there's not.
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>> so then you have to abide by the rules. do what you need to do to earn your good time and get out. >> on a weekly basis i go through all of the facilities and visit with the inmates to see if there's any needs that they have that haven't been addressed through the regular line staff. >> i hear. let's open up the food port so we can talk. what do you need? >> i'm trying to get married. i'm trying to do everything that i can to do things the right way. >> right. >> now, i understand there's a situation to where she was a staff member. but what i'm asking you to look at is the fact that in a position that i had as a convict where i could have done things illegally, we didn't do anything but break policies. why would you deprive us of visits when we won't even have contact? >> well, one of the reasons is you know that policy does not allow for anybody that was an ex-employee or ex-contractor to come back into the facility.
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irregardless of the nature. okay? inclusive of that is the fact that even if you guys got married legally, the department of corrections won't recognize that as something that we approve. so in other words, even if you get married, we cannot allow the visits. >> all right. well, how about this? can -- i can i get you to talk to robert, and get you and robert to maybe move me to central. i'm working on the last of 18. i'm trying to do good and stay focused. >> i'll tell you this. next january we'll have this same conversation and if you give me clear conduct between now and then, i'll seriously sit down and discuss it with you and probably at that point in time, i will call the warden and see if we can transfer you to central. how's that? >> i appreciate that. >> give me that time.
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>> yeah, don't mess with any of my officers or my office. >> okay. >> if you want to wait you can tell your fiancee maybe look for january and get you transferred out to central maybe you'll be allowed to do that over there. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> all right, thanks. >> we look at former employees coming in to visit an inmate as a security threat. simply for the fact that they have information that would be valuable to an inmate to aid them in an escape or to circumvent our systems that we have. you know we had several years ago where a love affair happened where you know this woman even rented a helicopter and brought him into the old main facility yard to help him escape. you know, some people just -- you know, their love for these guys just grows so big that they'll do anything for them. humans are still humans. inmates are human. bottom line. >> anytime that you can reach a mutual understanding like that where there is at least hope, that's the one thing that you don't want to take away from any human being, what he holds in high regard or what he has hopes
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for. i mean, love does a lot of things for people. it isn't just the fact of love. we all grow old and mature and grow, you know? i'm not trying to stay the same knuckle head i've been my whole life. i'm trying to get back out into society again. >> after eight days on suicide watch, today conrad is being transferred to another prison. p & m's officials would not disclose the reason for his move. >> ib -- inmate conrad salazar is being transported to central new mexico correctional facility. >> it's kind of a sad day to think about conrad? >> i don't know, probably a happy day. >> for what? >> to say good-bye to conrad. >> yeah. this is an electronic mobilization device.
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50,000 volts. it may cause you to self-urinate or self-defecate, understand? >> yes. conrad sees this relocation as another positive step towards his eventual release. >> this is where i'll do my last 60 days. you know, it's somewhere where i can focus on the street instead of getting umt and my visits taken and taken of no more reports. whether i can foe kus -- where i can focus on getting back out on the streets. here i don't know, this is not good for that. you know what i mean? you take care, no?

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